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If you become the lord of dark frampt and kathee will kneel before you have you got any lore about this?
made the mistake of gloating to frampt about how i got this princess' lord vessel, and he ate me, and made me put that thing on an alter. me being me, i did it and then found this page a few days later
Frampt is a praimordial serpent like kathe and when you become the dark lord they both have to serve you such is their duty but that doesn t mean frampt dont want to stop you

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What if I jump to the alter myself and placed the lord vessel?
If you place the vessel without the presence of either primordial serpent both will treat you as an enemy.
So to talk to him before getting the lordvessel, one would have to Ingward. Correct? Because Ingward only gives you his key once you have talked to Gwenevere, thus gaining the lordvessel. I suppose as Kaathe's captor (more or less), Ingward has it coming...
You can obtain the Lordvessel but don't place it until after you beat The Four Kings. It is though one of the many things that irritates me about these Souls games. If you do not follow a guide before first playing the game, you will miss so much stuff that requires other play throughs but following a guide from the get go ruins the game. Kaathe should never just disappear and cause players to have to replay the game in order to use that Covenant.
Edit ...one would have to KILL Ingward.
I said no to Kaathes first question and he dipped back into the abyss, is there a way to fix that
Yes, don't say no in NG+ :D
first person to find this character just forgot to talk to Frampt, after getting the Lordvessel, and kept exploring. Everyone else looked it up here
Actually surprisingly I didn't even know about Kaathe I was just afraid of giving my Lordvessel away and losing my warp power. So reading on the Lordvessel led me here.
Do I need to have him transport me to the area that I place the lord vessel at to join the covenant, or does he let you join the covenant regardless?
age of men is just a lie .dark soul like the lord soul came from first flame,with flame fading humans can not rule too,he just wants good for his race. "MANUS WAITED FOR FIRE TO SUBCIDE"is a lie too.
The lord souls did not originate from the first flame, they were found near the first flame and used to fuel the first flame
Also worth pointing out, since you can't reach Sif in the Chasm of the Abyss without placing the Lordvessel for Frampt, you can't get the alternate cutscene for Sif if you go with Kaathe.