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By Anonymous
#16358149
Frampt storms off if he discovers you've been hanging out with Kaathe behind his back, yet still bows down to you in the Dark Lord ending. This seems to imply that he's not genuinely at odds with Kaathe nor the coming of the Age of Dark, he's just pissed he didn't have a chance to manipulate you. His only interest in continuing the age of fire is so he can continue to scam suckers into feeding him valuable goods in exchange for an atrociously meager payout.
Frampt fans will happily let a fraudster charlatan trick them into lighting themselves on fire, whereas Kaathe enjoyers get to reign supreme as the Dark Lord over the Age of Dark with their cool toothy snake buddy to grab them beers from the fridge while they lounge on the couch and revel in their uncontested dominance over the world, ignoring Frampt who occasionally pops in to request you front him some cash for lunch.
By Anonymous
#16358470
I always thought it was because the primordial serpents are obliged to serve whoever the current Lord is, regardless of their personal feelings. In the age of fire it was Gwyn, and in the Dark Lord ending it's you.
By Anonymous
#16361635
If were true that all Primordial Serpents abide by the will of the current ruler regardless of their opinion, wouldn't Kaathe serve Gwyn?
By Anonymous
#16368329
3rd Aug, Gwyn is no longer the lord of Lordran, Kaathe and Frampt simply have diffrent ideals of what the next age should be Kaathe wants an age of dark while Frampt wants to continue the age of fire. They seek the next lord and want them to do what they invision as right.
By Anonymous
#16350414
Fascinating how a bunch of youtubers led people to believe that rapists like Manus, people with a backstabbing fetish like 4Kings and Darkwraiths, and cowards scared to die but that have no problem killing others for the greater “good” like Aldia and Yuria lead to the good ending.
By Anonymous
#16353397
Agreed
By Anonymous
#16359113
lol did you agree to your own comment?
By Anonymous
#16361679
In the end, it was Gwyn who decided to suppress potential dangers like the 4 kings.
His distrust led to many tragic deaths of people and even creatures like dragons weren’t spared.
By succeeding him, you show that you support someone who killed mercilessly and did everything to prolong his reign.
I believe there is no good ending here, Either you defeat someone evil or you live long enough to become this evil.
By Anonymous
#16348156
i love killing four kings before placing with frampt just to whack this shady fool with my Zwei a couple times, hes sleazy and is DEFINITELY hiding something so i always choose frampt
By Anonymous
#16348791
frampt is a coward and has even more ulterior motives than kaathe; fits you well.
By Anonymous
#16336060
Havent encountered him in my first playthrough ( blind playthrough so only now in ng+ when i looked up some stuff i found out that he exists )...
...so isnt he the guy who screwed over Oolacile into summoning the Abyss thingie via primordial man they seeked ?
( somebody said that it was a "toothless serpent" i always thought that was Frampt, so i generally didnt trusted them... i fully prepared myself for a boss fight with Frampt after Gwyn, didnt realized that that was the end of the game )
...and he tricked the four kings as well.. so it would be his character to do that...
By Anonymous
#16358474
He said that the four kings failed him, that they were "strong, but saw not the truth." I think he didn't realize that Manus and the four kings would go insane.
By Anonymous
#16334938
people i have a theory for you. Kaathe is the one who awoke Manus and helped to spread the abyss. in oolacile Gough says to you that "seduced by a dark serpent or no they awoke that thing themselves and drove it mad." i think that Kaathe awoke Manus by tricking the four kings into it!
By Anonymous
#16359732
Kaathe is very much linked to the awakening of Manus, but the Four Kings were from New Londo, not Oolacile. Kaathe encouraged the humans there to continue their Dark sorceries and ****, which spiralled into their humanity getting out of control. That's why you see guys like the Chained Prisoner all mutated to ****, and it's what leads to the Abyss.

As far as I personally know, Manus isn't THE pygmy, but he's A pygmy. Think the crawling dude in Gael's arena in DS3. Now I'm not sure if he got his horns from Oolacile's ****in around, or if he was in the Abyss because he already had gone out of control, but he uses the same kinds of sorceries they do, and Kaathe was most likely a driving factor in Oolacile's transition from studying cool utility sorceries like Cast Light and Repair to figuring out Dark Bead.
By Anonymous
#16334617
At least Kaathe doesn’t live in fear. He mentions Frampt without hesitation while Frampt doesn’t mention Kaathe and even lies when he tells us there’s “no reason for pause at this point” when you’re at the altar and haven’t placed the lordvessel yet. Combine this with the fact that Kaathe is hidden and the destruction of Oolacile was the result of Manus and the abyss going wild rather than being controlled and you have yourself a pretty clear picture of which serpent is telling you a more truthful story than the other, at least as truthful as Dark Souls can be of course.
By Anonymous
#16333632
Are you talking to kill him but to run away you can't be the dark lord when you walk out the path after beating the final boss we waited the dark lord our Lord's I like shooting they had a fight and seeing if you attack them beforehand a final hidden boss that they did not
By Anonymous
#16338877
This comment gave me a stroke
By Anonymous
#16349829
I thought I was dyslexic
By Anonymous
#16363642
Jesus Christ, go back to school and learn how to write properly FFS
By Anonymous
#16372829
I had a stroke reading this comment.
By Anonymous
#16329197
I get a massive sense of this guy is plotting something and I don’t like what that is vibe from him
By Anonymous
#16372825
I get that feeling from both of the serpents
By Anonymous
#16327342
I accidentally pressed cancel when talking to the serpent in the abyss how do I get him back
By Anonymous
#16331830
You can't. Sorry.
By Anonymous
#16333443
Stop spamming buttons mindlessly.
By Anonymous
#16323748
The argument about frampt and kaathe will go on as long as people play the game, but we have to admit that siding with a guy who gives you a tool to steal humanity and calls you the Dark Lord is cooler than a guy who eats all your stuff for piddly amounts of souls.
By Anonymous
#16344774
yeah but frampt is derpy and cool and he doesnt give you something so evil as the DARK HAND which STEALS humanity, something HE created. are you NOT getting evil vibes yet?