Too many people are impatient farmers/grinders. They expect quick, easy results. It takes some time and effort, sure, but farming is not some terrible, morale destroying thing in this game. Here's a list of rare drops I successfully farmed in three different character playthroughs, early-game, with only 310 Item discovery: - 30 Swordgrass - Iron Round Shield - full Cathedral Knight item set (armor and weapons) - thrall axe and flamberge (hollow slave drops) - falchion - full Darkwraith item set (armor and weapon) - Evangelist mask and weapon (also her other crap, but who uses that*****e) This is all before killing Abyss Watchers, so this is before I could even use the gold serpent ring. Tips to make farming sessions more interesting: - have a covenant mutliplayer item equipped while you do it (Farron/Sentinel/Darkmoon/Aldrich, depending on your SL), so that you'll be periodically summoned for some PvP. Obviously it'll make the farming itself take longer, but the overall gaming session will be more entertaining while you're 'working' for the items - use the farming session to practice a skill (e.g. parrying) or to become more familiar with an unfamiliar weapon's move-set spacing and combos