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By Anonymous
#16577255
Is there a way to get this one after the city gets covered in ash?
By Anonymous
#16580292
can you do that before?
By Anonymous
#16622251
I just picked it up off of his corpse after everything got turned to ash. (cross the bridge area where plants are, it's where you went up the giant tree branches before destroying everything.)
By Anonymous
#16599288
Assuming that the goal is to rid ourselves of control from the outer gods (including the Greater Will) without completely destroying life as we know it, I can't tell wether this ending or Ranni's is the correct choice.

In Ranni's ending, we supposedly remove interference from outer gods by "distancing Order from the Lands Between". But it seems that, for the one thousand years of the Age of Stars, the realm will still be under the guidance of an outside entity (the Moon).

Goldmask's ending is very vague in what it will do to 'perfect' Order. This item mentions that the problem is the "fickleness of the gods". Are outer gods included? Does it mean that all gods (including outer ones like the Greater Will) will be accountable for their actions? Or does it mean that the human gods are fickle and only the Greater Will is worthy of control - therefore ruling the Lands Between and all life in it with an 'iron fist'?
By Anonymous
#16609572
Goldmask= free will
Ranni= new lord being the "moon" which I'm sure is just a celestial being like the elden beast.
By Anonymous
#16614087
Every god except Godwyn because he is nice
By Anonymous
#16614786
I think"Age of Order" means that the gods will no longer wage war among themselves and govern the Lands Between in accordance with the commandments of the Greater Will. This should also include protecting the Lands Between from the Stars.

"Age of Stars" will bring in the Stars (which are associated with eldritch horrors and glintstone sorcery). The Golden Order will be replaced by the Raya Academy. The sorcerers will become more powerful and rule over the Lands Between. Whether or not the newly empowered sorcerers will give freedom to the people. Who knows. My guess is that it will just be a change of masters from the Golden Order to the sorcerers.
By Anonymous
#16617994
Ranni's quest is filled with too many coincidences to not have some "outer god" interfering...
Radahm is holding back a giant meteor, that just so happens to be aimed at the Eternal City, which just so happens to have some specific items Ranni needs, and not to mention where you get the Mimic Tear, which is "the result of an attempt by the Eternal City to forge a lord" which would potentially be Ranni's "consort", but you ended up winning the battle vs it.
Just too many things point to Ranni having ties to something beyond herself.
By Anonymous
#16622252
Goldmask is interpreting the Greater Will, like the Two Fingers. That's why he always stares at the Erdtree. Corhyn is following the will of Two Fingers and documenting what Goldmask "says." Goldmask doubts the Golden Order, which is absolutely in line with the Two Fingers (they serve the Greater Will and are trying to replace Marika's Golden Order, which has been abandoned by the Greater Will). I think it's safe to say that this ending represents the fulfillment of the Greater Will's plans through the Two Fingers.
By Anonymous
#16626189
I feel it is basically just removing the middle management (gods like Marika and other demigods) and just allowing the Greater Will and the Elden lord to directly rule over the lands between
By Anonymous
#16629465
Wait...if Ranni intends a mimic to be her consort, does this mean she just wants to bang herself? She is pretty conceited, so I guess it's plausible.
By Anonymous
#16632353
your first mistake is thinking that ANYONE is a base human in this universe
By Anonymous
#16634563
Goldmask seems to be loyal to the Golden Order, trying to correct the damage done by Marika and her offspring's influence. So yeah, it probably would give more control to the Greater Will. Whether that's a good thing or not is up for debate.

As for Ranni's Age of Stars ending, my interpretation is that the Moon itself may not be an Outer God per say but something more akin to the Primordial Crucible, a natural part of the world that got overrun by the Greater Will. Her plan was to put distance between the Greater Will and the Lands Between, some maybe it's a focus for her power idk.
By Anonymous
#16640330
Age of order is removing all outer gods influence barring the greater will while Age of the stars is Ranni creating a new order and removing it from the lands between by taking it with her on her thousand year voyage thus ridding of any and all outer gods influence
By Anonymous
#16649798
From what I understand from Ranni's words (both English and the Japanese translation) Her goal is very much a Nietzsche "God is Dead, and that's a good thing" kind of plan, let people decide for themselves what Order is, not some Outer God or Greater Will (IMO the Moon stuff has more to do with place in the demigod pantheon as "Lunar Princess Ranni" and how the moon played a part of her mother's/dynasty's origin story rather than some other divine entity) She offers the cleanest cut from the problems of the past with the Golden Order, but also refuses to deal with picking up with the pieces afterwards (which, admittingly, would be self-defeating of her ultimate goal, but that's the main problem/paradox of preaching Relativism for Everyone for you.)

Goldmask offers the most straightforward solution, prevent the divine from doing anything counter to it. However, IMO, thinking it's the best path means you are willing to accept that a.) taking away someone's free will is an okay thing under the circumstances, and b.)that there is nothing else wrong with the Golden Order, and the background of Miquella and Melania is arguably an example of that being NOT true.
By Anonymous
#16672318
19 Apr 2022; mimics can transform into everything (for example; one of them transforms into a troll and all of the balls in the eternal cities are mimics.), I think she wanted a mimic because she dosen't wants a demi-god to be her consort.
By Anonymous
#16718505
Ranni is a liar, look at her history, she is the biggest schemer of the entire game. Her order is about giving things over to a different outer god, the one that controls the malformed stars and falling star beasts, and likely the one that originally ruled over the alabaster and onyx lords on a different world. She gets freedom to do as she pleases in return, possible even the ability to become an outer god herself in time. Radahn understood this, which is why he was keeping that god at bay and foiling his sisters plans. Rykard is more like Ranni's useful idiot, believing he would be able to deal with whatever comes thanks to his newfound power. Just another god for him to devour after all. Goldmask's Ending is essentially making religion in the lands between exactly like religion is in our world, fake. No more humans mingling with their divine, they just worship obediently. Of course his mistake is that humans are just as fickle as demigods, and religious zealots with the right oratory skills will simply take over and make the golden order whatever they need it to be to accumulate power. The greater will under this ending is essentially powerless to do anything about it because he will have no access to vassals to effect change in the world. At least until the cycle resets itself, and the ring is broken again and a new person becomes elden lord.
By Anonymous
#16769897
june 19, nothing “fake” about “religion.”
By Anonymous
#16769898
april 26, free will the the Responsibility to do Good, not the demand you cannot be held accountable for what you’ve done.
By Anonymous
#16609038
this guy gets it
By Anonymous
#16620295
first:
y'all are bloody reformists
second:
Miyazaki (or the translators) have not read enough Kant to call it a "transcendental ideology" (see item text) and not just a transcendent ideology (whatever that means)
By Anonymous
#16626497
It���s a video game, not intro to moral philosophy
By Anonymous
#16635088
Kant's "transcendental" merely refers to the form of argument he uses to arrive at his view (namely, per SEP "X is a necessary condition for the possibility of Y—where then, given that Y is the case, it logically follows that X must be the case too"). But, obviously, that word has multiple meanings. Here it just means "surpassing", since you're bringing back the Elden Ring's world but making a better version of it.
By Anonymous
#16641481
Transcendence is not something limited to one thinky boy's concepts. Transcendence means it is something that moves beyond the established. In a metaphysical context, you, the Tarnished, are technically transcending by even entering the Erdtree and defeating both Radagon and the Elden Beast.

When it refers to the Mending Rune of Perfect Order as transcendent, it is saying that it EXISTS beyond the mundane, and renders everything below it, subservient to its alteration of the way things are.

Overall, you are deceptively pretentious in the way that you want to come off as intelligent and learned, but in fact you are overly focused on word use and show a complete inability to interpret what is actually being said.
By Anonymous
#16658801
While 'transcendental' here doesn't seem to refer to or draw upon Kant's metaphysics in the way that the term is commonly used in the real-world academy, I still see a good case for its use in this description. As another commenter says here, Kant used the term in the first place because it described the form of his argument - that is, investigating the conditions that make our thought, logic, and perception possible. The method is transcendental because it goes 'beyond' the objects of our cognition to the things that make cognition itself possible.

Goldmask, in his ever-brilliant contemplation, is doing something similar; he moves 'beyond' the particulars of gods and demigods and trees and Lands Between to peer at a deeper, more abstract truth (namely, that the imperfection of the Golden Order seems to arise from the fickleness and freedom of both gods and men).

Goldmask is the Kant of Elden Ring. Perhaps even down to the fact that 'Perfect Order' (like Kant's perfect rational ethics) might restrict freedom in a way that seems at least intuitively unappealing.
By Anonymous
#16668717
kantlet
By Anonymous
#16747306
Of course it’s not Kant. Communism is the other face of the Capitalism coin, how could it be transcendent?
By Anonymous
#16769890
Although this ending does resemble kant’s toxic views: it tries to cut the roots from a tree, in delusion it will float. it believes Reality is based on the ego, and every pain humanity has ever faced is due to that. the constant s*cide of the solipsist and relativist is the revenge against them for their crimes.

Quod Deus Vult perdere, Prius dementat, goldmask.
By Anonymous
#16622055
based ending
By Anonymous
#16625008
People are seriously misunderstanding this ending. Goldmask still supports the Outer God that is the Greater Will. What he is fixing are the lesser gods like Marika and her demi-god offspring. They previously had too much freedom and thus messed up the Golden Order. His ending fixes that by removing that freedom and subjecting them to the Greater Will just as much as the regular people.
By Anonymous
#16639532
Yep, and people still haven't caught on that the Greater Will is evil.
By Anonymous
#16641473
The Greater Will isn't evil. It's parasitic and fairly impotent despite the image it wishes to portray for itself (it wants to be seen as God, when it's really just a pretender).
By Anonymous
#16646014
Not parasitic, symbiotic. Trees aren't parasites.
By Anonymous
#16648361
*incompetent
By Anonymous
#16665144
The greater will is removed by the end because the elden beast is destroyed. The greater will no longer has a connection to the world - the new golden order exists completely devoid of it.

Also, Goldmask ended up openly opposing the greater will. He ventured to the lands containing the power to burn the erdtree, something expressly forbidden by the greater will.
By Anonymous
#16717453
Where are people getting the idea that the Greater Will/Erd Tree is a parasite or that's he's "ebil". According to Hyetta, the Greater Will is responsible for all life and his actions directly lead to the divergence of life from the "greater one" singularity. According to Hyetta, he is responsible for birth, souls, sin etc... the individual life and beings that make up the world. This indicates that he is responsible for the creation of the primordial crucible and all life and that the Erd Tree is simply what the primordial crucible grew into as life diverged from it. How then can he and the Erd Tree be "muh ebil alien parasite" if he created all life in the first place? This entire theory smells like it came from the updoots and political/religious bias of leftist redditors wanting to fill in an anti-theist story of rebellion into a story that has too many purposeful plotholes to be entirely interpretted.
By Anonymous
#16719451
Didn't Hyetta become a finger maiden for the frenzied flame's three fingers? Not the most trustworthy person if you ask me...
By Anonymous
#16724412
Greater Will is good. Order is inherently a good thing as it keeps everything in check without there being chaos, true order that is. Sadly the demigods became lustful and power hungry. With their imperfections gone, the Greater Will can now have true order restored and the erdtree to bless all those around as many incantations show that it heals. I haven't heard a convincing argument that makes the Greater Will evil. Id much rather obey a holy outer God that heals and gives light than the others.
By Anonymous
#16780724
I agree with 18June, what he says is also by backed up by the fact that the Crucible Spells (powered by Crucible Tree) and Elden Stars (OLDEST spell originating from Elden Ring) actually share the same casting emblem. This implies that they are of the same/similar origin, aka the Greater Will.

Indeed it is mostly the people allied with Marika/Golden Order who commit these sins as the Greater Will can't freely control them, but for the most part Greater Will itself is good as it created life in the first place.

Also 20Jun, it's not really a strong argument to not believe Hyetta just cause she serves Frenzied Flame. You should take everything everyone in this game says at "Face Value" for the most partz unless proven otherwise. She serving Frenzied Flame doesn't automatically default to her lying. Indeed, it is much surprising if one continues to serve Frenzied Flame even after knowing Greater Will actually created life and is good for the most part.
By Anonymous
#16651047
Tags: mindbreak.
By Anonymous
#16651114
Tags: mindbreak.
By Anonymous
#16651154
Tags: mindbreak.
By MalthusLongoni
#16654945
I believe that Gideon's part in Marika's plan shines a bit of light upon the Perfect Order ending from Goldmask. If Gideon is right, what Marika is planning is to keep the Tarnished struggling in the shattering forever, so that no new vassal to the Greater Will arises as Elden Lord. Goldmask knows that, and he also knows that the shattering has it's cause in the fickle dual nature of Marika/Radagon (that is, one part wanting to shatter the ring and the other trying to fix it). So I believe that Goldmask wants to put all of the power into the Greater Wills' hands, so that Order won't be subject to the fickleness of the gods (as the Mending Rune states). I think his ending is something along those lines because Brother Corhyn rejects Goldmask's idea after he finds out about it, and since the Fundamentalist incantations state that their belief is based on the idea that Marika is a goddess (and probably would never go against the wishes of the Greater Will), if we presume Corhyn is a Fundamentalist, it makes sense that he rejects Goldmask's plan.

I'm not sure how the Mending Rune of Perfect Order does that, exactly. Maybe removing the necessity of an Empyrean God, or maybe uniting Radagon and Marika into one thing (truly), or maybe just making the Greater Will all powerful and whatever.