So Bloodborne?

Nah bloodborne is just about breeding

was effectively bloodborne's plot.

You had the Great Ones all individually fighting (or at least moon beast vs rest) & then you had the celestial aliens who wanted the control things.

"Bloodborne is about breeding" so is Elden Ring??

Malazan book of the fallen Gardens of the moon

That definitely seems the case. Since most of the endings kinda have an outer God being in charge and having their pawns the big names in the Lands Between. So I guess the Lands Between is kinda like a chessboard in a sense where they play their games and they have their pawns to assert their influence in the place.

Depending on the translation and interpretation of descriptions the Age of Stars could either be letting a new Outer God influence the world OR rejecting Outer God influence in favor of another kind of power. It doesn't seem super clear that the Dark Moon is literally an Outer God and the original Japanese for Ranni's ending apparently paints a different picture than English. Either way Outer Gods aren't Bloodborne gods, they're not entirely evil or unconcerned with humans so rejecting them entirely might not be that great. (except the rot god cause that sucks and probably the Frenzied Flame)

But in the end, in GRRM's works, it's also about a struggle between Gods. Specifically R'hllor, the Lord of Light, the Heart of Fire, the God of Flame and Shadow -- and the Great Other, the Lord of Darkness, the Soul of Ice, the God of Night and Terror.

"The Goddess of Rot" is Malenia's title not the outer god.

there is no god of the scarlet rot. the scarlet rot and her eternally infant brother Miquella are both messed up like that because of the congenital birth defects from being self incest babies born from the combined entity god that marika and radagon became.

Incorrect, there is indeed a God of Scarlet Rot, see the Blue Dancer Charm. It was able to afflict the children as a means of escape back into the world or something it seems.

That's not true, Radagon and Marika were originally separate beings who were merged. Radagon was literally a champion in the army who ended up marrying Renalla while Marika was married to Godfrey. They clearly didn't start out the same, don't act like nobody would have noticed them never being in the same place or Marika/Radagon literally having to run back and forth between two cities living two different lives.

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Not exaclty, the Unalloyed Gold needle description says that it's "A ritual implement crafted to ward away the meddling of outer gods" and it even works for removing the effects of Frenzied Flame and that was used by Millicent's questline which cured her of her Scarlet Rot. It's definitely another outer God.

���there is no god of the scarlet rot. the scarlet rot and her eternally infant brother Miquella are both messed up like that because of the congenital birth defects from being self incest babies born from the combined entity god that marika and radagon became.���

You���re forgetting something, Radagon gave a great rune to Renalla when he left her, a great rune of unborn Demigods that perfects them, so then the next two Demigods, Miquella, and Melania, are born imperfect in the absence of said great rune.

These are outer gods. Outer gods are above gods

With that logic, Marika = The Greater Will.
We all know that's not the case. A god is a just a subject of an Outer God.

It's more likely Ranni's taken the same status a Marika. They're Gods but they're not Outer Gods and basically serve them for the powers. From what I recall Marika became a God due to the Greater Will giving her power, so it's not far fetched the Moon Outer God giving Ranni power to ascend to Godhood and likely switch who's in charge in the Lands Between from Greater Will to the Moon.

Hyetta in the end of her questline states that everything cam from the One Great, and then came birth, fractures, and souls. Then the Greater Will made a mistake that caused despair, sin, and curses. Sounds like One Great and could be a Bloodborne reference or a way to link the universes.

Arguably, Bloodborne's storyline revolves around the Great One of the dream habing the hunters hunt down and kill other Great Ones in their nightmare worlds

Yep, crazy and dumb.

Only issue with your theory is that we have no comparable examples of an Outer God having a mortal body. Perhaps the Ancient Snow Witch was simply the Vassal of the Dark Moon before Ranni took the mantle.

I'm pretty convinced that the puppet that Ranni inhabits was made by Seluvis using the Snow Witch's corpse.

It���s not a corpse, it���s a doll made of rope and such you can see it at her wrists and when she���s damaged in front of the dead fingers

I don't agree with this theory, but second anon, we definitely do have a comparable example of a god using a mortal as a vessel; that's Melania's whole shtick.

You should read about the "one timeline theory" of soulsborne game, it's a ******* theory because there are no factual elements in the games and is only builded uppon players speculating but it is quite fun

The games are all just spiritual successors to one another and borrow themes.

it's just lazy writing and reuse of assets and themes so they could save money and time, just come up with the multiverse lore and call it a day, none of it is connected

It's fun for the devs to put in callbacks to older games, too. Bringing back Patches' voice actor every game costs more than just making a new character, and this Darkmoon Greatsword is a fresh model for the Moonlight Greatsword. Still, actually trying to keep a functioning cannon between games is hard and expensive, which is part of the reason they have started spinning new-but-familiar universes like Elden and Sekiro. You can put in the fanservice, but still change whatever you want. Like a reboot, but better. Still, it's fun to play Epileptic Trees and try to create grand unified Zelda-Soulsbourne-Final Fantasy timelines, so have at it.

its a speculation, cause all the gods make contact with their own champions and tries to set their own order in this world...

the dark moon is referenced by Ranni in her ending.

I forget where but it's referenced as the moon of the eternal city and was attacked by astral.

There are a few spell description that mention the mysterious moon that now haunts raya lucaria.

As far as I'm aware there's no mention anywhere of a god associated with the Dark Moon--just the Dark Moon itself. Its nature is extremely unclear and mysterious, but if it's not an Outer God or God itself, it appears to have a similar place in the lore as one. Not sure why it was removed from the page.