Since the seal is formless does that make it a tattoo on your hands

Soft cap for this is 45 int/45 fai. If anyone wants to add this above.

if you want to mix spells and incantations with magic properties on a INT build, this seal is the perfect choice.

Comparing this to the Erdtree seal and 80 faith is kind of missing the point.


Comparing this seal to the Erdtree seal at 80 faith is kind of missing the point.

This seal outclasses other seals upto the 45 faith softcap even with the minimum 17 intelligence investment.

I want to use Golden Order incantations, would I do more damage with them if I had INT at the minimum of 31 and 60 faith? Or what it be better to keep INT and Faith at the same number?

Soft caps at 45/45 with 338 Spell buff, after that it only gains less than 1 spell buff per point.

People say this seal is only strong for overleveled INT/FTH builds but I think people are missing its spot as an amazing seal for higher INT/lower FTH builds, if you're a pure caster sorcerer who wants to give up some sorcery scaling for the added utility of incantations that scale off your INT. You can get 52 INT and 32 FTH at level 150 without giving up 60 vigor, giving you Azur's glintstone staff + added utility of Sacred Oath, Wrath of Gold, Barrier of Gold, all the Golden Order spells, all of the bestial incantations, most of the lightning spells, most of the healing spells etc. etc. all scaling at 316 incant scaling, which is on par with +10 erdtree seal at 70 FTH on a pure faith build(just accept that healing wont be as strong because that scales on faith only for some reason).

So in essence, your incants are as strong as a 70 FTH PURE FAITH build but with less than HALF the FTH investment and you get access to every sorcery up to 52 INT(which is almost all of them) + Azur staff cast speed bonus(WHICH AFFECTS INCANTS IN YOUR OTHER HAND TOO!). Sure you can get the Azur staff bonus even if you can't use the staff but being able to use it is even better because it's an amazing staff in its own right! The downside is your sorceries aren't quite as strong as a pure INT build, and you don't get to use spells above your requirements but...do you really need comet azur, rennala's moon, or elden stars? Some of those higher req spells are good at melting bosses in niche scenarios, but this build gives you so much versatility and incant power in return, as well as a reason to use ALL 10 memory slots all the time(and sometimes even the nokstella charm!)

can anyone explain what the wiki means by "only applies the faith scaling for weapon buffs and healing"

thought it would cast sorceries as well, like that one is DS3--also Radagon was into an INT woman, then became a FAITH woman, so there's that...

I'm seeing something I don't understand when I look at this seal in my inventory, under the scaling Its showing much less than any of the other seals I've got. I've upgraded this to +16 but seals that I haven't put any upgrades into at all are showing much higher incant scaling than this does. What I don't understand is if this really does have the scaling it is showing in my inventory, it wouldn't be doing the damage it is with fire and frenzy flame or any of the other offensive incantations. Its making my head hurt thinking about it.