that seems to be what its spelling out. I was gonna go for a str/fai hybrid but i may switch that up learning this. it may just be wrong tho. hard telling

nope int doesn���t increasd FP, only mind does

Yeah I think other anon is right. I don't think INT increases FP. I have like 40 INT and I'm 99% sure my FP hasn't budged.

No INT doesn't increase FP.

Not to be **** (genuinely mean that) but if it gives near nothing after 80 that would be the hard cap, right? Soft cap is where you start to get diminished returns which if its anything like DS3 should be around 40..... Again not trying to be a **** its just Im here to find out when I should start distributing points elsewhere in the midgame to balance between damage output, defense and supporting stats (my sorcery builds in souls are normally half n half faith int after a certain point to make use of all spells.... Arcane is REALLY messing me up with my normal routine.

I think hard cap is ehn you can't level up anymore. Soft cap is when you can, but it won't matter much

First reply is correct; EVERYBODY seems to be misusing the term "soft cap". When the diminishing returns start to set in, that's the soft cap (around 50), then once it gets to a point where you barely see any return at all, that's a hard cap (around 80). 99 is the max, not a cap. I don't know why people keep using "soft cap" to mean hard cap. When did this change in the lexicon? It's been this way for 13 years since Demon's Souls!

You're right third guy. Since the first Dark Souls, players has always refer to the point of greatest diminishing returns of stats as hard caps. Elden Ring is the best selling souls game, so I guess all the new players are trying to change the vocabulary for some reason.

The terminology "change" is just because "hard cap" in the context of discussion in the Souls community is incorrect as in all other circumstances it has always referred to a limit which can not be surpassed. "Hard cap" as it is used in the Souls community is really a soft cap, just one that is a little "firmer" than the point of diminishing returns the Souls community refers to as the "soft cap"

Third guy still has it right. That is not terminology exclusive to soulsborne games. Most, if not all RPGs (Especially MMORPGs) use the same concept. There is always a "soft cap" which is a maximized potential before diminishing returns set in, thereby lowering the amount gained up to a "hard cap". A "hard cap" is a point at which spending points past that are basically wasteful and better spent elsewhere to maximize potential. Then lastly, there is a "max" which means you literally can't go higher than said threshold and thereby past that is dead points. Been this way for like the last 20-30 years of gaming, if not longer.

its actually soft+hardcap its raises straight up to 80 and almost zero return after 80.

80??? HOLY ****, What are these "soft caps" Fromsoft.

That's judging around the scaling of the weapons which inherently is built for hybrids. 80 is the actual soft cap when using the spells to measure the increase

Yes, that's literally what the OP said. No mention of casting tools, just weapons.

Twinsage Crown does it by like 7 or so, with a minor decrease to HP

What? There was an entire school of spells in previous game called ���Hexes��� that required both intelligence and faith. They���ve just folded that idea into sorceries and miracles

If you're upset about the golden order stuff specifically that requires a perfect 50/50 split between int and faith, yeah it's kinda dumb, but not a big deal since the incants involved are all undead-centric anyway and not really practical for most of the game. It's just for the people who want to roleplay as a golden order adherent, going around killing zombies with their weird t-pose ring and hanging out with vampire hunter D. It's a whole class of magic that's more or less new to the game anyway, it's not like lightning spear requires 10 int to use.

Those are the Fundamentalist incantations. There are several schools of magic each in sorceries and incantations

Pyromancies and Hexes? Just because there's only 2 categories of spells in this game doesn't mean they can't mix things up. The int/fth spells are great, it gives you a reason to make an int/fth build.