This shiz was called punishment magic for a reason fam. It ain’t suppose 2 werk so good. U gotta be into the kink of it all - namsayin?

Was the range and size on the thorns nerfed/reduced? I feel like they were bigger before…

it didn't drop for me?

wow, 2 whole spells, which require faith to use but require an int weapon to cast. They do terrible damage, are more dangerous to the caster than the target, have the slowest cast times in recorded history combined with zero hyper armour so if a shuffling corpse farts within a mile radius the spell fails. No expense spent on these evidently

BRING BACK SPELL CHAIN CASTING!

Briars of Punishment (BoP) is a really good incantation (Highly recommend). But Briars of Sin (BoS) is lacking in damage, speed and utility in PvE and PvP compared to BoP. It has less AoE than many Ash of Wars and can't be cast while walking making you open for any attack whilst removing your own health to do damage to a target.

One of those ash of wars is Black Flame Tornado (BFT) which does everything better than this spell except for the slight poise and fp cost it BoS has. This is ironic because all Prophets can use Black Flame Tornado instead of this spell and can be put on the starter spear. Briars of Sin is also too slow for the majority of bosses which in NG+7 means they either A) Remove 75 % of your health while you tank their hit or B) Instantly kill you, because you tanked their hit.

As of right now I don't think this will be able to compete against BFT unless they give BoS some tanking potential + damage buff. It will never be able to deal more damage than BFT as it is designed right now since it scales with the amount of health bosses have.

Also, if you're fighting anyone with two greatswords or bigger weapons and they do a jump attack you're most likely going to be dead after using BoS once since it's so slow and removes your health which allows players to go from a two shot attack, to a one shot. Marvelous.

Though, to give credit where credit's due, it has an astonishing animation and sound. Also killing anything with it is satisifying as hell. I think from an aesthestic view this is my favourite magic type! keep the aberrant magic, it's a great starting idea with more fine tuning can be great! : )

Can you chain cast it into
Briars of Punishment ?

When min maxed, this thing can spank ganks incredibly well

Why does this spell have a lingering animation, leaving behind a trail of briars, but they deal no damage to people who touch them? The briars should deal (at least minor) damage when people walk near them. As it's designed now, this spell is just a fast-moving projectile with a fancy animation. Which is a shame because the animation RULES.

At the very least it feels like the AoE of each cast could be just a tad larger, considering that you will also take self damage, bleed build-up and be stuck in a very lengthy recovery if you go for the 3rd cast. Also is it just me, or does it seem strange that the first cast of this actually does less than Brairs of Punishment? Like where's the incentive the ever use this over Punishment when that has range, tracking and speed over Brairs of Sin? I get that it's the area Thorn sorcery but come on.