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By Anonymous
#16197617
It probably take one year to swing
By Anonymous
#16200007
No, it's actually pretty fast, although I see where you're coming from. Not to mention the immense stagger that it deals.
By Anonymous
#16215051
the cleaver op , fast and can be buffered good boss killer
By Anonymous
#16217901
You should see Dragon Smasher
By Anonymous
#16224709
It actually has a decent speed
By Anonymous
#16287672
Yeah it does
By Anonymous
#16301214
It does for its original wielder.
By Anonymous
#16215048
i love it
By Anonymous
#16224865
The scaling on this weapon is insane, it can truly rival the DBS.
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By SlaveKnightKos
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#16280223
Only because it can do magic damage
By Anonymous
#16381929
@SlaveKnightKos the only reason the DBS has some comparable damage to the Meat Cleaver is the high str requirement and because you can upgrade the DBS. However, due to DBS's mediocre scalling compared to the Meat Cleaver, if your character is anywhere over lvl50-60, with 30 str, whatever dex you have and 16 faith the Meat Cleaver is blowing the DBS out of the water due to the fact it has triple scalling, is half the weight and it regens your life with each hit. Oh, and did I mention the slightly better moveset? Or the fact you don't need pure white world tendency to get it?
By Anonymous
#16406558
^ also the fact that you don’t need 5 colorless demon souls to get it to its full potential
By Anonymous
#16257471
An S S and A. That is insane. I have never seen a weapon with such massive scaling. And you don't even need to level up the club or great club to transform them.
By Anonymous
#16366645
The scaling is to offset the fact it can’t be leveled, if it didn’t have S/S/A it would be useless from lack of damage
By Anonymous
#16258781
the 16 fth is negligable since it also is the requirement for second chance
By Anonymous
#16275622
Meat cleaver hehe boi :)
By Anonymous
#16277021
Strongest weapon in the game pretty much :/ S S A
By Anonymous
#16278186
Can be buffed with magic weapon too.
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By SlaveKnightKos
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#16280222
But the scaling scales off of the base damage, and it has really crappy base damage, so in the end the DBS has higher AR potential
By Anonymous
#16296434
scaling does not scale off of base damage, what the hell are you talking about?
By Anonymous
#16302412
SlaveKnightKos is correct. Scaling bonus depends on both the scaling bonus (letter) and the base damage for the relevant damage type.

For example two weapons with the same C scaling but one has 100 base damage and the other 120. The second weapon would see higher bonus damage added from scaling.
By Anonymous
#16374970
Should be pretty obvious that scaling uses base damage, so that aside, DBS does not have higher potential damage, it has higher damage earlier though.
DBS has higher base damage at 280 with a B in strength.
Meat Cleaver has 90/90 magic/physical, with SSA scaling.

You can achieve much higher damage with DBS in NG, but using a quality or Quality+Faith build by NG+ Cleaver should be pulling ahead, and by NG++ it should be blowing DBS out of the water.
Although in my case Cleaver at SL 50 Cleaver is winning on my quality character because I invest less in the defense when I use it.
By Anonymous
#16278124
Best
By Anonymous
#16278468
*Put on my Pyramid Helm* Silent Hill, here I come. Ops, I meant Boletaria, here I come.