Yes, it is widely believed that the nameless king is indeed Gwyns first born. He sided with the dragons and lost his status

@anon below. “Widely believed” is an understatement, there’s so much evidence for it that it’s pretty much confirmed canon

Yes. I actually wonder why people even though Solaire was Gwyn's first born, since the ring mentions that not even his name is actually known, and the nameless king literally has nameless on his "name", while Solaire is called Solaire. Also the Nameless King kinda looks like Gwyn, he also knows lightning miracles even though he's allied with the dragons (Wich makes no sense unless he once fought them, as I think some ds3 items said and is obvious enough if they wouldn't say it)

The solair thing is just cuz it was the first big theory on it, cuz before the context of the nameless king in ds3, solaire definitely would seem like a good candidate

And to add what the 3rd commenter said: A possible reason why the NK was removed from history by gwyn, could be that he sided with the dragon's (possibly out of mercy), as he didin't agree with the reasons to slauthering them. What came of this, was his name and place in the world, stripped away untill there was nothing to remind anyone of him. He was neither Gwyn's first born, nor a traitor to the gods, but he was a nobody that turned hollow.

Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring does not boost miracles. Also the Crown of Dusk gives a larger boost than the Crown of the Dark Sun.

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Except on people that can dodge or cancel out casts

anonymous #2 that was rude.

mega wrong, solaire was not gwyn's first born, it was the nameless king

I’d’ve forgiven this if I didn’t see this was a 2018 comment. It’s already almost entirely supported that the Nameless King is Gwyn’s first born

yeah all evidence pionts to that the najmeless king is lord Gwyns firstborn and the god of war.

All the Canon points to Solaire being Gywns first born. From his dialouge, lore and discriptions up until Nameless was shoehorned into it. That's the problem with Media. However it is possible they are the same person. Lothric is a convergance of Worlds/Lore

Edit; There's a reason all the Lore and fan Theories pointed to Solaire up until DkS3. Then again people think 2 Male Gods made Gywndolin and Roasria is Gywnevere despite being alive, married and long since left

"all fan theories" Lmao. Some dudes shoehorning their head canon is not the whole fandom. The votes here should be a wake-up call. There's literally nothing that even hints at Solaire, except his babble about the sun. Not even before DS3, people seriously considered him. Solaire as firstborn is the same nonsense as fan shipping. Just get over it.

If solaire is gwyn's firstborn why doesn't the sunbro covenant disband after you kill him

The ring: "Today, not even his name is known." I mean, it IS NAMELESS king for something and not still named king of the storm during his second phase, you know? Also, he looks like Gwyn. Kinda. Solaire is called Solaire. His name IS known, thus meaning he's not Gwyn's first born.

Just because of such dumb***** like that I will never play ds3

Imagine wanting Solaire to be Gwyn's firstborn so bad that you refuse to play a game that proves you wrong lol

what have you been smoking bro?really

I agree with that point. Everything points out that Solaire is Gwyn's firstborn, and since Solaire in DS3 doesn't appear the theory that Solaire and Nameless are the same person is extremely solid. And btw, Nameless is Gwyn's son 100%, so that part is undeniable.

"Everything points out that Solaire is Gwyn's firstborn, and since Solaire in DS3 doesn't appear the theory that Solaire and Nameless are the same person is extremely solid"

Uhhh nothing in canon points to that, even before DS3. Theory's about as solid as water lol

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"I agree with that point. Everything points out that Solaire is Gwyn's firstborn, and since Solaire in DS3 doesn't appear the theory that Solaire and Nameless are the same person is extremely solid. And btw, Nameless is Gwyn's son 100%, so that part is undeniable." yeah that theory's got about as much evidence holding it together as straid from ds2 being nameless since he sells great lightning spear and also isnt in ds3

Dark miracles?... please enlighten me good sir

miraculous dark magicks hmmmm intresting the whole abbys has crumbled from your words

Dark miracles as in the gravelord sword miracles?

Take easy kid. You. Begginers in ds universe have a pathological need of a linear chronoligal lore betwen the games. You must understand that ds1 is a complete game. This means that when this was made. Nobody was thinking about sequences.

Why the need be nasty?

oh look, another nerd that thinks he's the smartest person in the room. It must be hard living with all of the morons in this world.

Why can't Solaire be Nameless King? His main goal in DS1 was to kill his father. That was his sun. It's even in the name: SUN's Firstborn. It's super logical, that if his deific status was rescinded by Gwyn, after Gwyn's death his powers of god of war came back.

It was always a dumb theory, the lore makes it clear that Solaire is a normal man. Andre, however...

hes the broken statue at the sunlight altar, you can see his spear

Sort of - from a developer perspective, by DS1 they knew they wanted Gwyn to have an estranged son who was stricken from history as part of his backstory, and apparently Andre was original developed as the disowned son of Gwyn before the idea was dropped.

...which would mean that the Firstborn subplot was mostly snuffed in its crib in DS1, as Andre was reworked into a fairly ordinary (albeit awesome) undead blacksmith. On the other hand, it was one of the most egregious pieces of outstanding, unsolved lore by the time of DS3, and so the team probably decided to pick up that particular loose end and rework it into the cheek-slapper we know and love today.

It's not exactly as simple as "Nameless King has been on the cooker since DS1", so much as "Gwyn's Son has conceptually had a place in the Souls developer's bible since DS1, and From wanted to follow up on it by DS3."
It may have been the result of a string of developmental coincidences, but it ended up as one of the series' most satisfying encounters, so you won't hear me complain