- Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:53 am
#15958853
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- Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:53 am
#15958854
I thought Darkbeast Paarl, and maybe the other Darkbeasts, were based off the gashadokuro, a giant, bloodthirsty skeleton from Japanese storytelling, formed from a hundred starved souls. Maybe the Blood-starved Beast is in the process of becoming a Darkbeast? And the Suspicious Beggar mentions in his beast form that he "didn't ask for this," as if he's trying to justify his actions, perhaps by placing blame on someone else.
The lightning theories are pretty important, too, but I think you're focusing a little too much on how they might relate to Dark Souls and Norse mythology (Oedon isn't named after Odin, but after Oedipus, the man who blinded himself after murdering his father and marrying his mother without his knowledge). Unlike Dark Souls, Bloodborne is allegorical, and much of the world can be explained through symbolism. This is a Dream, after all.
The lightning theories are pretty important, too, but I think you're focusing a little too much on how they might relate to Dark Souls and Norse mythology (Oedon isn't named after Odin, but after Oedipus, the man who blinded himself after murdering his father and marrying his mother without his knowledge). Unlike Dark Souls, Bloodborne is allegorical, and much of the world can be explained through symbolism. This is a Dream, after all.
- Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:27 pm
#15976499
Gashadokuro is more of a Wolnir thing.
There's been quite a bit of speculation about the meaning of the name Oedon.
I've heard it connected to an amphitheatre, but I haven't heard Oedipus come up much.
The connection to Odin is quite strong because Odin is connected to the Roman god Mercury.
Mercury is another word for quicksilver, and Oedon is connected to quicksilver.
Furthermore, Mercury's symbol, the caduceus, is omnipresent in the Souls series.
There's been quite a bit of speculation about the meaning of the name Oedon.
I've heard it connected to an amphitheatre, but I haven't heard Oedipus come up much.
The connection to Odin is quite strong because Odin is connected to the Roman god Mercury.
Mercury is another word for quicksilver, and Oedon is connected to quicksilver.
Furthermore, Mercury's symbol, the caduceus, is omnipresent in the Souls series.
- Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:30 am
#15990468
The Oedipus point is inaccurate, I'd advise having a look at or at least at around 48:30, when JSF does a little infodump of sorts about the origins of Oedon's name
the general point is that the way the japanese phonetics for Oedon is more like 'odon' whilst Oedipus is translated/phonetically written more like 'oidopussu' so if they wanted to infer Oedipus they'd have written it differently. But I would recommend watching at least the last 5 minutes of the video (or all of it) because it's very informative and interesting.
the general point is that the way the japanese phonetics for Oedon is more like 'odon' whilst Oedipus is translated/phonetically written more like 'oidopussu' so if they wanted to infer Oedipus they'd have written it differently. But I would recommend watching at least the last 5 minutes of the video (or all of it) because it's very informative and interesting.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:54 pm
#16010427
I dunno, Oedipal complex is showcased heavily throughout Bloodborne--consider just how many characters have obscured their eyes with bandages or removed them altogether. Recent cut content, though much of it is misleading, reveals through dialogue with certain characters that covering the eyes was intended to protect the Hunters from the horrific visions they would encounter throughout their journey. Freudian themes are omnipresent, especially surrounding Queen Yharnam, Kos, and Annalise, as well as the implication of incest throughout the township, either literally or metaphorically through the rampant infusion of each other's blood. Not that this has anything to do with Darkbeasts anymore, though.
- Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:24 pm
#16010436
I started to wonder if maybe Bolt in Bloodborne deals such high damage to the Kin (at least most of them) because it's meant to represent a sort of electroshock therapy. The Darkbeasts revel in their ignorance, which might be what grants them their sparky coat, whereas Kin enemies like the Celestials and the Brainsuckers are yanked from their maddened meditation when struck with Bolt. The Kin are also deeply connected with water and the sea, while the Darkbeasts have a strong affiliation with the dry, static environment of Loran.
As for color symbolism, I started thinking that blue = the unknown, whereas gold = revelation. Again, Darkbeasts are dum-dums as declared by the Healing Church and the Choir, so they're coated in blue lightning. Striking the Kin with this blue lightning kills them, impeding their "enlightenment." As for the Fishwitches, their lightning matches the color used heavily throughout the Old Hunters--the decayed moon, the gold Lumenflowers, and even the fire urns around the Fishing Hamlet (this flame color is only seen here, as well as on the skeletons in Yahar'gul, and does not match the orange color used for fire elsewhere). Their lightning is born of the accursed truth unearthed at the Hamlet, a knowledge not intended for human eyes. Still not sure why the lightning summoned by the Orphan of Kos is still blue, but I wonder if it implies the Orphan wants to bury the secret again. Interestingly, Bolt does absolutely no damage to the snail women, perhaps suggesting this "ignorance" is actually something that sustains them, as it did Kos until the moment of her discovery.
Long story short: I think the Darkbeasts represent individuals who strongly resent the Choir and Byrgenwerth for everything they've done to the city.
As for color symbolism, I started thinking that blue = the unknown, whereas gold = revelation. Again, Darkbeasts are dum-dums as declared by the Healing Church and the Choir, so they're coated in blue lightning. Striking the Kin with this blue lightning kills them, impeding their "enlightenment." As for the Fishwitches, their lightning matches the color used heavily throughout the Old Hunters--the decayed moon, the gold Lumenflowers, and even the fire urns around the Fishing Hamlet (this flame color is only seen here, as well as on the skeletons in Yahar'gul, and does not match the orange color used for fire elsewhere). Their lightning is born of the accursed truth unearthed at the Hamlet, a knowledge not intended for human eyes. Still not sure why the lightning summoned by the Orphan of Kos is still blue, but I wonder if it implies the Orphan wants to bury the secret again. Interestingly, Bolt does absolutely no damage to the snail women, perhaps suggesting this "ignorance" is actually something that sustains them, as it did Kos until the moment of her discovery.
Long story short: I think the Darkbeasts represent individuals who strongly resent the Choir and Byrgenwerth for everything they've done to the city.
- Tue May 08, 2018 10:56 am
#16032829
i don't think odeon is marked as the "god of lightning", as his connect to quicksilver bullets only means he is connected to blood in a sense, as not only do quicksilver bullets use the users blood, not magic, but even states in the Odeon Writhe rune that "Human or not, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the ESSENCE of the formless Great One." and that "Both Oedon, and Oedon's inadvertent worshippers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood." So in other words, he is tied more to blood than anything else.
- Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:54 pm
#16041346
Gael has blue lightning in his boss fight. Little idea what that might mean though. It's almost definitely because of the dark soul because he presumably couldn't use it before that.
- Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:05 am
#16043345
I mean no offence since you're free to speculate and theorise away all you want, but as a long time user and contributor I deem it very annoying that the link to this page is shared in a lot of fextrawiki pages that YOU deem to be tied in to eachother with only your speculations and theories as a reason. This is a wiki so we base our info on facts and this is quite the burden to see this link on way to many pages, when it's based on your take instead of the actual ingame facts that ARE proven. I would kindly ask you to refrain from this as a fellow user and contributor.
- Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:25 am
#16043358
I try to deal in facts to the extent that it's actually possible to do so.
Links to these pages are accompanied by statements like "this MAY be the case".
The pages themselves are under a section called theory, so I don't know what exactly isn't obvious.
These pages are of the order of strategies, tips and flavor texts that can be found all over Fextralife.
They do not have the exactness of the damage formulas or the item drop rates.
Not because that's something I want, but because I simply can't provide that sort of exactness.
Links to these pages are accompanied by statements like "this MAY be the case".
The pages themselves are under a section called theory, so I don't know what exactly isn't obvious.
These pages are of the order of strategies, tips and flavor texts that can be found all over Fextralife.
They do not have the exactness of the damage formulas or the item drop rates.
Not because that's something I want, but because I simply can't provide that sort of exactness.
- Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:14 pm
#16095484
Yeah those links don't belong on the main pages of like every single character and item in the game, any more so than anyone else's theories. Just because the source material is hosted on fextralife doesn't make it any more noteworthy or any less of a reach. I've never seen any of Redgrave's material referenced in an article, yet his analysis, writing and conclusions are all so much superior in so many ways. I don't mind if Gwyndolin's page mentions that he was inspired by Griffith, or something similar for the Bonewheel items, but for the full breadth of this patent nonsense to be so inescapable on this wiki is honestly a strike against the credibility of the entire site.
- Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:53 am
#16055914
This theory falls flat on your first point. There is a Sun in Bloodborne. One of the endings to the game literally has you wake up in Yharnam to a sunrise. In addition to that the sun is even mentioned by Gehrnam. IDK why so much lore articles are written by you when most of them are baseless, and flat out wrong.
- Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:28 pm
#16095489
Rakuyo I'm sorry but... you kinda suck, man. Your narratives are completely overwhelmed by very basic facts and more importantly you can't take any criticism even though you've bukkaked this ridiculous quackery all over a site that already struggles with incorrect information when it comes to raw facts. Fextra needs a new lore guy, but I doubt you'll let that happen. (Or will you encourage others to add their own interpretations to articles? Permit counterarguments on the wiki articles themselves? If I see the same openmindedness from you that you demand from others, I'll completely 180 my opinion of you.)
- Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pm
#16350084
theres no sun, we spend the entire game fighting for one and we get it in one ending. when we are just dropped into yharnam there it isnt already there.
im sure you could make a comparison to dark souls somewhere there.
im sure you could make a comparison to dark souls somewhere there.
- Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:05 pm
#16068932
Clever and fun but between interviews, art books and the like it’s more of a story of the condition of man. Anyway you shake it vati vidya has the lore locked down. This is nothing more than fan fiction but fun to read! Cheers!
- Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:25 pm
#16075779
You realise vaati has to guess as much as anyone? I disagree with some of his theories, persoy. We are all given the same lore to work with but it can fit together different ways. Letting someone else use their imagination for u sounds boring to me.
- Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:59 pm
#16071258
Can we just stop trying to link Dark Souls with Bloodborne? It's pretty cool to do that stuff, find lore throughout all the games developed by FS, especially Dark Souls. But, in reality, Bloodborne is just one individual game which belongs to Sony, they can not tie Bloodborne with games distributed by Bandai Namco (DS). Please, don't bring the Moon Sword as "all games are connected" thing, it is just like a "signature" from FS.
- Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:30 pm
#16075780
Did the words "a world painted in blood" not ring any bells when u played the painted world dlc? I mean this guy's theories have some problems, I think he did some good work. This is all pure speculation and I do feel like fextra and his buddies shouldn't be sniffing each other's farts
- Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:02 am
#16072624
I have never seen anyone push a narrative this much. I was epecting some lore on the Darkbeasts, but was instead greeted by how Dark Souls is connected to Bloodborne, along with some ludicrous "evidence", presenting them as fact. Look, I'm sorry but your are just making***** up in some of these sections. It's okay to theorise but i would like to be presented with all sides of the theory, such as counter arguments and the such. Instead of completely ignoring and pushing a narrative. At least I laughed wildly at the "... a recurring pattern" and "...anomalies..." lord that was a good laugh. I suggest renaming the title of this, as "Darkbeast Lore" clearly doesn't suit what you wrote.
- Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:10 am
#16072625
yep and the old man's shroud being moddeled after lava... jeez. It also looks like wrinkled testicles but i don't see that i any theory...
- Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:58 pm
#16087774
Can you not see it says it’s someone else’s theory’s? Just because you don’t believe them yourself doesn’t mean you have to say it. Ignore it and move on
- Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:18 pm
#16095486
The stuff about how Anor Londo and Yharnam are linked because of some wall arches that have some barely perceptible similarities, and how some minor clipping issues have huge lore significance, is all pretty goddamn funny if I can forget about how it's presented as fact.