- Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:55 pm
#15859670
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- Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:55 pm
#15859671
Point out where they are as well as of in where they are lying about. Not just tied to enemies.
- Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:01 am
#16179218
ENGLISH, MOTHER*****ER, DO YOU SPEAK IT! What the ***** does that mean? Where they are and where they're lying about means the same thing
- Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:08 pm
#16029424
There is also one located in anor London that is not mentioned on any of the wikis
- Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:00 am
#16179217
Don't say something and don't give evidence to the claim. Give specific directions before talking out your ***
- Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:27 pm
#16067327
They forgot to put that the obsidian greatsword is upgraded with dragon scales
- Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:43 pm
#16067984
OH THANK GOD THERE'S ENOUGH TO IN THE BASE GAME TO UPGRADE A DRAGON WEAPON TO MAX. I mean, drake farming sucks. And no one uses my dragon eye sign.
- Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:43 am
#16072502
The Cursed Greatsword of Artorias also upgrades with dragon scales.
- Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:07 am
#16093528
Something that kind of irritates me is base weapons and equipment are dirt cheap to upgrade, but then there's specialized weaponry (those dragon or boss weapons you like) and suddenly you're expected to cough up literally tens of thousands of souls and expend incredibly rare materials. Sure, you get rich quickly on higher NG modes, but it's kind of a pain to accumulate base game, especially when you need to keep upgrading weapons; upgrading piece-meal is a pain, too. Something else is that bothers me is every individual weapon class requiring some special category of ore. It makes sense, but it's difficult to keep straight, the materials are rare (or expensive), and there isn't enough dispersed throughout the game to upgrade more than a single weapon without going on excruciating farming ventures. I feel like the upgrade system is inefficient and lopsided with no apparent balancing.
- Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:33 pm
#16093811
they fixed it in ds3 where in ds2 twinkling titanite was a pain
- Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:03 am
#16131838
Considering that you can max out specialized weapons as early as you find materials (as opposed to normal weapons, which are progress-gated by embers and capped by super rare Slabs), it's a pretty fair trade off. I mean, you can have a maxed-out Black Knight Halberd WAAAAY earlier than a standard Longsword, and even before that point it's comparatively OP at mid-level upgrades; you SHOULD be spending a bit more to upgrade them. As for Dragon weapons and boss weapons... yeah, they're SUPPOSED to be hard to upgrade because they're incredibly unique, and that makes them feel valuable and meaningful. When things work as they SHOULD and they're SUPPOSED to... they're balanced. You want unbalanced upgrades? Check out Dark Souls 2, where you end up with more Slabs than you'll ever be able to use, because you'll never find enough Chunks without joining a PVP covenant or something.
- Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:14 am
#16221324
Now I feel like a jerk for offering 80 dragon scales just now, leaving me with only a few. Time to grind.
- Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:07 am
#16330851
Indeed the upgrade system is unbalanced. You can start the game out with a +4 black knight weapon before even having to think about killing bell gargoyles. In case you're wondering, black knight weapons at this point without scaling have around 300 damage. Black knights don't even appear until the end of the game so this is an end game weapon you can max out before even getting the Lordvessel. As for the "incredibly rare materials", there aren't really any boss souls until later and you need a +10 weapon to make a boss weapon anyway AND you need to meet the Giant Blacksmith. If you get EVERY demon titanite up until Anor Londo you can get ONE boss weapon maxed out. I do this every time downgrading the lightning spear in Sen's Fortress to get Ornsteins spear because I've always loved that weapon. Now you can buy every upgrade material barring demon titanite (which can be farmed from one titanite demon that also gives 5k souls each time you kill him) and dragon scale which isn't used that commonly anyway. It is too expensive you say? Considering boss weapons only need 10 demon titanite and 25k souls to MAX OUT, something you can get in 10 minutes in Anor Londo, I don't really think it is. Even better if you consider the titanite demon you can farm for 2 demon titanite and 5k souls for each time you kill him you'll have 50k souls by the time you get 10 demon titanite. You'll have TWICE the souls needed to max a boss weapon. 50k souls is what you need to max out a Dragon Scale weapon by the way so there is that soul cost fixed. That and consider that almost every boss after Anor Londo gives more than 50k souls. There is also a spot in the painted world where you can get easy 10k in 1 or 2 minutes. 80k souls is enough to buy 10 twinkling titanite from the giant blacksmith (this is the most expensive titanite you can buy) and with only an additional 10k you can max such a weapon out.
The only problem with upgrade materials is the fact that they made dragon scales a covenant item so they have the rarity of other covenant items and can only really be farmed in one location. This is a bit of a pain, yes but it is not like you are gonna be maxing out all the dragon tail weapons anyway because most of them aren't better than other options. The drake sword goes for 200 AR to 300 AR without any scaling and will be outscaled by pretty much every straight sword at 30 str and dex when comparing both weapons at max rank. Dragon King Greataxe and Dragon Greatsword both have insanely high STR requirements so around the point you reach 50 str (unless you b-line only that stat) you'll probably have enough scales to max out one of them.
The flipside to these being covenant items are of course that if you are up for it, you can get them through the covenant and if you perform can easily get all you need to max out all of the Dragon Tail weapons. Personally I can only think of 3 that I want so I won't need more than 30 which is still a lot but I'll manage. You also have 10 guaranteed drops of dragon scales so even if you get 0 from valley of drakes you can still max one weapon out per playthrough.
Every other titanite for regular/magic/dive/fire weapon is super easy to get, many enemies drop them and you can buy quite a of each with only a few thousand souls.
Now regarding the soul cost being too high, other than the painted world other areas that grant you a lot of souls without much time is anor londo (either the area outside O&S and around towards the Giant Blacksmith for a good 10-12k without any soul increasing item or starting from the room in which you find Solaire after having opened all shortcuts and killing the silver knights around there for 4k a run. You can also take a lap through the whole area and get almost 20k a run in 10-15 minutes though at that point just open the shortcut in painted world and farm the phalanxes). You can search on this very website for other methods to farm souls depending on your level and area. Also, 20k souls might sound like a lot but if you just play through the game normally to get to the bell gargoyle's, only killing what is in your path with the bosses counted I think you get about 30k. Add the 4k before moonlight butterfly and the 10 from the boss itself and you get roughly 44k souls from that and this is not counting the black knights. Doing the black knights to the bell gargoyle boss would put you over 45k souls. Now take a return trip to the undead Asylum (especially if you got a black knight sword and have the bare minimum stats to use it) and that's another 5k plus 20k from the boss. Now we are at 70k before even ringing the second bell.
The only problem with upgrade materials is the fact that they made dragon scales a covenant item so they have the rarity of other covenant items and can only really be farmed in one location. This is a bit of a pain, yes but it is not like you are gonna be maxing out all the dragon tail weapons anyway because most of them aren't better than other options. The drake sword goes for 200 AR to 300 AR without any scaling and will be outscaled by pretty much every straight sword at 30 str and dex when comparing both weapons at max rank. Dragon King Greataxe and Dragon Greatsword both have insanely high STR requirements so around the point you reach 50 str (unless you b-line only that stat) you'll probably have enough scales to max out one of them.
The flipside to these being covenant items are of course that if you are up for it, you can get them through the covenant and if you perform can easily get all you need to max out all of the Dragon Tail weapons. Personally I can only think of 3 that I want so I won't need more than 30 which is still a lot but I'll manage. You also have 10 guaranteed drops of dragon scales so even if you get 0 from valley of drakes you can still max one weapon out per playthrough.
Every other titanite for regular/magic/dive/fire weapon is super easy to get, many enemies drop them and you can buy quite a of each with only a few thousand souls.
Now regarding the soul cost being too high, other than the painted world other areas that grant you a lot of souls without much time is anor londo (either the area outside O&S and around towards the Giant Blacksmith for a good 10-12k without any soul increasing item or starting from the room in which you find Solaire after having opened all shortcuts and killing the silver knights around there for 4k a run. You can also take a lap through the whole area and get almost 20k a run in 10-15 minutes though at that point just open the shortcut in painted world and farm the phalanxes). You can search on this very website for other methods to farm souls depending on your level and area. Also, 20k souls might sound like a lot but if you just play through the game normally to get to the bell gargoyle's, only killing what is in your path with the bosses counted I think you get about 30k. Add the 4k before moonlight butterfly and the 10 from the boss itself and you get roughly 44k souls from that and this is not counting the black knights. Doing the black knights to the bell gargoyle boss would put you over 45k souls. Now take a return trip to the undead Asylum (especially if you got a black knight sword and have the bare minimum stats to use it) and that's another 5k plus 20k from the boss. Now we are at 70k before even ringing the second bell.
- Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:19 pm
#16283169
no matter we all did just git gud
every one has to go through it
every one has to go through it

- Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:00 am
#16324204
First reply was on my 20th bday, second on 5 days ago. Glad to see community is still this active after all these years
- Thu May 09, 2019 9:09 pm
#16120349
Drakes are listed twice as things you can get the dragon scales from. Might want to remove one?