yeah, learning more about the Witch and her family is what originally drew me into DS lore.
but here's something concerning the 4 Lord Souls and how they might represent the cycle of Flame/Dark.
(this is very random, but it doesn't look like much happens in the DS1 forum now that DS2 is out, and I'll keep the questions coming)
Gwyn was at the top of the Lord Hierarchy and his Soul granted him the power of lightning. (light)
the Witch controlled fire itself. (strong flame)
Nito's soul is lessened because he offered so much of it to the dead. (dying flame)
Furtive Pygmy's lack of involvement with the other Lords is enough to consider him at the bottom of the Hierarchy. he has a unique Dark Soul. (dark)
it is almost like their roles as keepers of the Lord Souls are anthropomorphic representations of the Flame's cycle. and the Dark Soul is in place as a trigger to restart the cycle (the Flame needs Dark and vice-versa)
The Age of Fire began and the Dark Soul was shattered (much like darkness in light, figuratively speaking of course).
this was the first spreading of the Dark. within humans.
as they procreated, the Dark spread, growing stronger, but hiding inside of humans as little sprites in wait of the Dark Age, when the Flame is extinguished.
but then Gwyn started making humans burn their Humanity in bonfires.
it's not like he snapped his fingers and bonfires appeared.
someone had to make them and someone had to figure out HOW to make them work.
Seath seems like a likely culprit behind any experimentations in DS.
I would even go so far as to say that Seath created the Lord's Vessel, and later, Firekeeper Souls.
the Lord's Vessel might just be used as a lock on the Kiln when we come across it, but I think it is reasonable to conclude that it was once used to divvy out shards of souls from the Lord Souls.
(using DS2 lore here- there is a shattered Lord's Vessel in Majula Mansion and inside the chest is a 'soul vessel' which looks like a chunk of the Lord Vessel swathed in soul energy. the item description tells us that you put your souls inside the stone, and then take them back out. this could be alluding to how it was once used to divvy out souls)
after all, Seath gained the first shard that Gwyn gave out, and he is knowledgeable enough on things like the Soul that it doesn't seem like a stretch to think that he is the one who figured out HOW to get a 'piece of that soul!"
(much of that theory is ignoring how we just hand souls over to merchants without the need of any kind of vessel. but I hate putting game mechanics over interesting connections)
I suggest that he created Firekeepers because of a few things.
he commonly experimented on women.
he is a master of Soul magic (sorcery), which is manipulation of the Flame.
there is a Firekeeper Soul in the huge cell.
what if Priscilla was meant to be the Firekeeper of the First Flame, but the experiment failed? half-human, half-dragon, she would be the perfect eternal Firekeeper so that the First Flame never fades.
I think Aldia/Vendrick learned how to create the Emerald Herald from reading the book in Majula Manison, which I believe they pillaged from the remnants of Duke's Archives. the book had notes about how to create bonfires, firekeepers, golems, and Dragons (Priscilla).
my point with all that, is that Seath is anathema to Dark and was in Gwyn's ear telling him how to stop the Dark Age.
Seath is... the 'great contradiction' of the DS universe. and I'm not talking about plot holes but on a metaphysical level.
(tangent ahead! about to get crazy..)
while Seath is anathema to Dark, he is also it's counterpart.
human emotions are tied to Humanity/Dark, but when existence was naught but an emotionless expanse of gray stone and mist, a singular creature of vulnerable flesh and raw emotion existed.
was Seath a devil character? playing the role of fallen angel versus his Ancient Dragon brothers?
or was he a creator god? he burned with a hatred for his brothers, who were emotionless statues, more or less. if Seath was the only conscious being when it was all nothingness (emotionless gray), is it far-fetched to think that his rage is what created the First Flame?
DS2- we learn from the Japanese description of the Ancient Dragon Soul that a Dragon once 'wanted' a soul dearly that it created one of its own.
- The special soul of this dragon,
created by his pursuit of the abyss of souls-
so since Seath existed before the Flame came into being, and he burned with a rage for his kin, and if his kin are just beings who are at one with the nothingness of existence, and he is their 'betrayer', then wouldn't he perfectly fall into place as the creator of the flame (the Flame being a separate embodiment of his emotion)
it makes more sense than the Flame just appearing for no reason, and Seath is the type to tinker with things and figure out how to make them work to his advantage.
an interesting note about that.
Seath is called the 'Grandfather' of Sorcery. if sorcery is just manipulation of the Soul, and the Soul is from the Flame, wouldn't that make Seath the 'Father' of Flame?
it is also interesting that Seath's Keep is at the top of Lordran.
ok. that was all to just show Seath's possible agenda and importance, for no particular reason other than to see if you can shed any light on my interpretations (which are always open to new ideas).
so the bonfires were created by the Lords to interrupt the cycle. Seath was the mastermind, and the other three added their own parts in the creation.
a bonfire is made up of three parts.
Nito- undead bones
Witch- Flame (this also might be where the Witch got the idea from to recreate the First Flame with her soul, out of desperation)
to me, the construction of a bonfire shows the implication of a group effort by the Lords.
Seath knew that the fire would die out and that the Dark Soul (the embodiment of his dark/want) would be his own end.
but he also knows that he can use Humanity to strengthen the Flame because it was his emotion that sparked the Flame to life. one feeds on the other.
it is like the Ouroboros, the serpent (or dragon) eating its own tail, which is a creation mythos.
taken from wiki-
-The Ouroboros often symbolizes self-reflexivity or cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things such as the phoenix which operate in cycles that begin anew as soon as they end. It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished.-
this sounds much like Flame/Dark/Soul/Humanity in DS, yet the Ouroboros is depicted as a dragon eating its own tail.
for me, this is an undeniable correlation. however, I have been obsessed with such things long before even 'Demon's Souls' existed, so it's just my nature to relate things in this way.
so, I realize that I have taken this way too far.
if you actually read all that, and are interested to continue with this method of extremely long-winded and random questioning, then please feel free to take any questions or interpretations from the above ramblings and share your perspective.
if you feel that this is too much for your trivia thread, I am sorry. I can erase this and paste it in a new thread if you want. I would totally understand. (but your responses intrigue me, so I'm trying to throw everything I got at you!)