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The weapons pages haven't been changed for a long time now, but this is something I always thought should have been done differently since the start. In my opinion, it's pretty useless to know a weapon's stats at, say, +10 when it can go to +15, or +5 when it can go to +10. Nobody's going to want to stay at the lower tier when all you need to do is get an ember to go higher.

Knowing their stats at the second-to-last upgrade, on the other hand, would be quite useful. To get the last level you need to spend a slab, and there's only so few of these per playthrough, so you can only get so many fully upgraded weapons. It would be very useful to know which ones to spend those slabs on, and which ones can be left at +4, +9, or +14.

Other potential use: in another thread right now I just made the point that, when comparing Crystal weapons, you should really be looking at their +4 stats versus a Regular weapon at +15, since you definitely don't want to waste a slab on a crystal weapon. In this scenario in particular, having the Crystal +4 stats would be very useful.

And it would also be useful to add Chaos +5 +10 Humanity. Chaos is really considered as an elemental upgrade path, rather than a scaling one, so to properly compare it with other elemental weapons we should know its full strength. Rather than say "Chaos might be as strong or stronger than lightning when you have 10 humanities" it would be good to know for sure, especially since it wouldn't be difficult at all to get that info.

I guess since those pages have been untouched for so long I thought I'd check with the community before hacking away at them! But what do you think; is it better to know those +4/ +9/ +14, and Chaos +4/ +5 with 10 humanities, or should I just leave it be?

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please edit them! it would be really helpful
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I'm all for adding that info, it would be really useful. I would be leery about deleting any existing info though, so I'm thinking augmentation as opposed to subtraction.
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It wouldn't be subtracting so much as replacing... Image

But I see your point! I'll start looking into it tomorrow.
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To make it as easy as possible for everyone in the community to be able to contribute, I created a temporary page to keep track of the progress. Simply head there and follow the instructions!

http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Weapon+Upgrade+Work+In+Progress+List

Thanks for your help!

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I'm going to start working on it when i can.
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Thanks!

By the way, I also put in there: Chaos +4, Chaos +4 +10 Humanity, Chaos +5 +10 Humanity. So all you people out there currently using any Chaos weapon +4 or +5 can easily and quickly fill in some of this information since I'm sure you're using it with >10 humanity already!
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We have heard this request before but overall monitoring of the site's activity and having the experience of the JP wiki, the majority of users do look at +5 +10 and +15. The reason for this is that they can easily upgrade something to +4 but they want to know if the further upgrade is worth it.

Please do not delete or replace any information on the weapons page. There is certainly more to add but what we have now is our N.1 visited page (of about 3 million monthly visits) so it must have something going for it.

We also have individual pages for every weapon that would benefit from some updating as the stats changed with patches Image
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Yeah, after Emergence made that point I agreed, but I guess I didn't make it clear enough! I wrote on the page too that people shouldn't remove information, but instead add to it, but I'll see if I was being clear enough on there.

The point of knowing the second to last upgrade is really more to compare between different branches, rather than along one branch. My best example is: to show that Crystal is absolutely not recommendable (as if we didn't know that already Image), you really should be comparing Regular +15 to Crystal +4. It's really not such a big deal to keep making new Crystal weapons +4 every time one breaks if you have the time and resources for it, but when you can know the actual tiny difference it makes compared to Regular +15 (which can be worth a slab), then you can decide if it's really worth it.

Also, different upgrade paths share the same slabs. So again it would be useful in deciding which weapon and path to spend the slab on, and which aren't as bad left unupgraded.

Edit: while I'm in there I'll slip a note about people checking the current stats for accuracy post-patch.
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That sounds great thank you! Image

I'm sure we can fit the +4 +9 +14 in there somewhere, so that both end gamers and newbies can get the info they want.
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