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Just a few ideas I had. I realize the archives are pretty dead, but I'm hoping this will spark at least a little bit of discussion. These ideas aren't written out to sound great, but the concepts sound pretty flushed out.

The Bed of Chaos is a twisted entity of archtree and flame, created using the Witch of Izalith's Lord Soul. As the soul is the source of all life and the bed of chaos spawned hundreds of demons, it seems fair to assume that some of the lord souls power was used to spawn these demons.

How can we assume that?

Because the bed of chaos is seeking something; it has spread out roots to sustain itself, like any other tree. Those roots spread out to the lava oceans below, digging down beneath the surface of the magma like a tree searching for water.

The heat of said magma makes it unlikely to be used for any biological means, other than use as a fuel source. Souls are similar to flames, and I have speculated several times that the First Flame is the Soul of the World. Which, if the world is alive, would make the molten center of the world it's blood. Draining the energy of a body certainly sounds similar to draining it's soul; So then, might the Bed of Chaos be the reason the flame is fading?

Now, you might be thinking: "Hey, didn't the flame fade before the Witch created the bed of chaos?" To which I reply: "Might that not be the reason the lords challenged the dragons? Might they not have been draining the flame's power in their greed?"


For all it's difference, humanity IS a soul, so we know that "burning" souls at a bonfire increases the power/"health" of that bonfire. Which is too say, burning souls kindles the flame. Elementary stuff witnessed in game.

But when you add the lord souls to the lord vessel, they burn; you give the lord souls, aside from Gwyn's, to the flame when you are ready to face Gwyn. Now, adding just Gwyn's lord soul to the flame kept it burning for a thousand years. Giving all of the lord souls back may "staunch the bleeding," so to speak.

So why must the player link the flame to continue the age of fire? Maybe they don't. Gwyn's soul was already burning for the flame; perhaps just filling the lordvessel is continuing the age of fire. This would mean that the Age of Dark was a lie, implying that all of the serpents were all working to continue the age of fire, merely trying different ruses to increase the odds of succeeding. This could lend more evidence to the World Hydra theory should you believe it, but the serpents may also just be trying to survive. Either way, the serpents bowing to the player in the "Dark" Lord ending may be a form of "Divine Right" to rule, granted in thanks for saving the world. If the age of fire continues either way, it could explain away a sequel without handwaving the player's actions.

But when you kill something, you absorb part of it's soul. Gwyn is no exception. Perhaps in killing Gwyn and absorbing his soul, you now carry his fragment of the lord soul. Which, with the lord vessel satiated, leaves you only one way to return the lord soul; linking the flame.


This one is simply more logic and evidence behind an old, common theory.

There are two major forces guiding the player's hand throughout the game: Kaathe/Frampt, and Gwyndolin. Up until the very last moment, their goals are exactly the same: Fill the lordvessel and kill Gwyn. Now, I just hypothesized that the serpents have the same end goal, so what if all three are working together.

Gwyndolin has the makings of a manipulative tyrant. His primary focus is illusions, his illusion of Gwynevere gives you the lordvessel, if you serve him he sends you to assassinate those he feels stand against him, and he sends assassins to kill you should you reveal his illusions to be fake.

We see that gods seem to have a strong alignment towards their sphere of influence. Gwyn settled his kingdom on a mountain to give it maximum sun exposure, Gwynevere's chamber is flooded with light, and the firstborn was a great warrior and the God of War.

In contrast, Gwyndolin hides beneath Anor Londo, hidden away from the sunlight. He is ashamed of his appearance, and quite possibly resents his treatment by his father. As the god of the moon, one could see him having good reason to desire the eternal twilight of a faded flame.

But, why does he stay in Anor Londo when all the other gods left? Surely if every single other god fled from the undead, he would have too.

Unless they were actually fleeing from him.

Imagine, if you will, the youngest, weakest son of the Great Lord. Hidden away, and his father's secret shame. That son seeks to make his father proud, so he tries to follow in his footsteps. He tries to create his own empire. He forces or coerces the Primordial Serpents to obey/team up with him, and forces the gods to abandon their kingdom. Yet there are still threats to his reign. The lords still maintain their domains within Lordran, and prophecy speaks of a hero to link the flame and continue the age of fire.

So he pits them against each other. No matter who wins, a threat is eliminated. The bed of chaos is the sire of all demons, so it must be quenched. Nito is the aspect of death, so he must be banished. The Four Kings may be a necessary casualty, or a minion that betrayed it's master. Seath may be slain out of some sort of revenge if you believe he messed around with Gwynevere/experimented on Gwyndolin, but he is most definitely a threat; he mustn't be allowed immortality. Gwyn is killed either for revenge, to put him out of his misery, or solely to quench the flame. This only leaves the question of why Kaathe tries to recruit you against the gods, and the serpents proclaim you their lord in the dark lord ending.

Are they simply allying with the strongest power? Or are they rebelling against the arrogant godling who tried to kill his father, hunt his kin, and force them into servitude?

In an even wackier twist, perhaps they are serving their old lord, the firstborn, as he seeks revenge on the jealous little brother who caused his fall from grace to begin with?
Gwyndolin is loyal to Gwyn so much that after all the others abandoned Anor Londo, he remained to guard his Father's tomb. That's about all there is to it, there's no family drama here.

Also, Gwyndolin was adopted bai Gwyn because of the inherent power he had, and also, Gwyndolin was adopted as a DAUGHTER.

As best as I can tell, he created those illusions to stand in place of the real thing. If they weren't there then there would bei no one to give the Lord Vessel to the Chosen Undead because everyone else abandoned the place, the practical purpose aside it may also have been done to preserve the pride and power that Anor Londo once stood for.

If there were no illusions then anyone could waltz into Anor Londo and take the Lord Vessel, and no one would bei there to tell the Chosen Undead waht to do with it once they got there too.

Those near the bottom theories sound moar like a overly romanticized novel revolving around Gwyndolin then hard factual lord and speculation.