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Just saw this today and was shocked...

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Castielle wrote:
Just saw this today and was shocked...

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I mean...if they make content that I enjoy on a regular basis, sure. The merit of their work holds more bearing to me than the race they were born as though.

Also, semi-unrelated note, but the hashtag in the corner makes me think about that clip of Morgan Freeman being interviewed about Black History Month.
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Ok, this will be a long post, and has some fascinating information on the Mueller investigation.

Today, the Office of Special Council indicted 13 Russian Nationals and 3 Russian entities for interfering with the 2016 election.

Some highlights are:

Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.

In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.

Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.

On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."

From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:

April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that
April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation"
April 19, 2016 "JOIN our
May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it"
May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!"
May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote"
June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!"
June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump #Trump4President"
July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison"
August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus."
August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!"
October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists."
October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."
To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.

Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")

Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.

On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:

"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."
On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators


PDF of indictment:

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/ ... xaf6nlA/v0

Note: this is coming DIRECTLY from the Mueller investigation, and not being made up. What does this mean right now? That Russian individuals and entities DID in fact interfere somehow with the 2016 election. Take a good long look at the stuff you see day to day, and think "is this made up specifically to get me angry?" "Is this true?"

What does this mean for the current presidency? No idea.
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surprised they supported sanders but it did not look like their actions were too effectual. seems more like Hillary had snubbed some random Russian business man who wanted to feel like he had a part to play in her downfall then some grand conspiracy.

to be honest i'm surprised they didn't find a lot more manipulation. i wonder what other countrys would find on america if they dug this much.
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I think it was less "let's support a particular candidate" and more "let's sow as much discord as we can into the voter base and make everyone hate each other". A lot of the reported bot/troll/shill accounts are common ones targeting specific demographics, specifically to undermine any majority power.
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Castielle wrote:
Just saw this today and was shocked...

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KEK. **** me. This is just low, who ever wrote this tweet has gone of the deep end
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Lich180 wrote:I think it was less "let's support a particular candidate" and more "let's sow as much discord as we can into the voter base and make everyone hate each other". A lot of the reported bot/troll/shill accounts are common ones targeting specific demographics, specifically to undermine any majority power.

someone was wasting their money. americans will hate each other for free, all they had to do was ask.
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This russia conspiracy thing is still stupid. So Russian nationals spent some rather underwhelming amount of money and effort in a quite ineffective divide and conquer campaign. This isn't collusion or collaboration with a foreign entity by the trump admin, it's just muller producing something because it's been a year and there can't be nothing or they close down.

The activities described, while illegal because of the possession of fake social security numbers, are common trade in international issues. The us does this to Russia all the time, as they did to Ukraine, and we all know has been responsible for several coups in history. It's amusing to me that there is such uproar and seems like theatrics to justify this whole "russia hacker the election" nonsense. So now Rosenstain is saying they were never investigating collusion... which again makes this into an "activity instead of action" circus.

Just look at George soros and his spending to change world politics all over the globe... sounds much more dangerous to national interests to me!
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Fex, maybe you can enlighten me, but why is an illegal activity standard procedure? It's illegal, it should be totally forbidden. I'm not experienced with businesses outside of restaurants, but I sure wouldn't do anything shady to a competitor like plant fake evidence or pay to have bad reviews posted on social media.

I don't see any real conspiracy, just an exposure of the methods and activities of foreign powers trying to sway public opinion. Russia didn't "hack" the election, they merely spent a little time weaponizing memes.

Social media of all platforms (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, and so forth) all sold advertising space to Russia backed entities, who used the ad space to divide the American voter base. They supported Bernie to force Hillary to cheat at the primary, causing disillusioned Bernie supporters to either not vote, or vote against the Democrats. This led to a very narrow victory of a pretty bad candidate. Not that any other choice was good, mind.

I am more concerned with the fact that people are too easily swayed by an image macro into believing the enemy is *insert liberal, conservative, S J W, trans, etc* and anyone outside their social bubble, while we SHOULD be working together to progress society.

The last few years should be serving as a wake up call to everyone. The American people need to open their eyes and put a stop to all the shady back door deals, lobbyists, career politicians, foreign interference and in general unacceptable behavior.

I think I'm rambling a bit, but my thoughts on this are really convoluted right now. I'm still reading more information as it comes out, and wondering what stuff I've been exposed to that was manufactured specifically to make my opinions go a certain way.
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