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And that is why Calvin and Hobbes argued that individuals need an authority figure to brow-beat them into cooperating with the group. The ones who want to help naturally will do so, while the ones who try to rise above everyone else are punished and forced to cooperate and get along.

It's really very interesting to see the way Calvin and Hobbes viewed human nature, and to look at how the Founding Fathers knowledge of political theory influenced their construction of the Constitution.
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EldritchImagination wrote:
SilkyGoodness wrote:So, like, what do you all think communism is????


Well, generally it is an economical belief and practice revolving around the lack of private ownership and the distribution of wealth, resources, and labor among the community or group according to each person's needs. No one is better than anyone else, all things are commonly owned, and everyone works for the common betterment of the group/community as a whole over individual progress. Basically it's a group unit mentality where each person is an equal part of a whole rather than a stand out by themself. Reminds me of an ant colony, or an organism's cellular systems to be honest, Which is a good thing if that's how you want to operate, at least when it's working as intended.

You described something more like socialism. Communists are violent socialist revolutionaries.

And in this thread it would be better talk talk about different ways socialist ideas can be achieved rather than saying socialism does or does not work, because each approach is different.
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EldritchImagination wrote:I was actually going to add that part, that in historic cases, communist nations often devolve into dictatorships as a result of the government abusing/misusing the system of wealth and resource distribution (which they manage) to further themselves at the cost of their citizens, as well as control the working populace into borderline slave labor. But, I figured people here probably took world history class (or at least read a history book), so would know what I'm talking about when I imply communism when not working as intended. However, communism, that is the basic belief and practices, can work when used right, and probably not on a national scale, like more so village/town sized communities.

None of these countries "devolved," into dictatorships, there were run this way day one. Lenin found an opportunity to usurp power in Russia due to it being weak economically and militarily. He from the beginning felt he needed to do a top down approach to establishing socialism. However he felt a transition was necessary. So he had the government seize the means of production. Keep in mind the idea behind socialism is the workers seizing the means of production not the government. What they were going to do in Russia, him, Trotsky and Stalin, was to have elected worker counsels make up the government, soviets, they would operate much like unions operate here in the USA. This never happened though because when Lenin passed Stalin took power instead of Trotsky as intended and with the kind of egomaniac who would do that came the disregard for actually setting up the socialist system Lenin wanted. In fact Lenin himself called the state of their economic system State Capitalism, because effectively the system is the same, but the capitalists are no longer private owners but the government. Stalin claimed they achieved socialism and that is why today people think socialism is just how much stuff the government does, and if the government does everything it is communism, when this is not the case at all.

OH, and i forgot to finish this by saying every one of these, "communist," countries that came into existence after this followed Lenin's example and established Dictatorships day one, and never established socialism. China was never socialist either really and today it is an undeniable fact that it is capitalist, and i'm not talking about Hong Kong.
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